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	<title>Comments on: North Yorkshire Moors Railway &#8211; Child Unfriendly?</title>
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		<title>By: Margaret Merill</title>
		<link>http://railwaysounds.railnuts.com/2009/08/26/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-child-unfriendly/comment-page-1/#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator>Margaret Merill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 11:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised either, two people from this organisation, one of them being Mr Melton, frequently post items on the Yorkshire Wolds Railway Restoration Project forum. The tone of their comments is rude, condescending and to be honest downright catty. I wouldn&#039;t want to visit the NYMR again after reading all this or be associated with the likes of people of that ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised either, two people from this organisation, one of them being Mr Melton, frequently post items on the Yorkshire Wolds Railway Restoration Project forum. The tone of their comments is rude, condescending and to be honest downright catty. I wouldn&#8217;t want to visit the NYMR again after reading all this or be associated with the likes of people of that ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://railwaysounds.railnuts.com/2009/08/26/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-child-unfriendly/comment-page-1/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hiya, just read your artice with interest. The attitude of the staff you were unfortunate enough to encounter on your visit sadly does not surprise me.

There are a large number of staff, either employed by the NYMR on the payroll, or as volunteers, who are, in every sense of the word, &quot;Jobsworths&quot;If &#039;That&#039;s Life!&#039; was still running on TV, the NYMR would probably feature every other week.

There appears to be a growing element of unfriendly and &#039;anti-visitor&#039; personnel at the NYMR, especially when it comes to railway enthusiasts, and even more specifically, photographers.

The NYMR has over the last few years, demonstrated this with consumate ease, and how they maintain the ability to attract any visitors at all, is beyond my comprehension.

It saddens me to write this, as I am a shareholder of the NYMR, and I am deeply embarrassed to be associated the the railway when I read comments like the ones above.

The sooner there is a change at the very top, the better. The sooner the poison dwarves are expelled from this glorious heritage line, the sooner it can begin to re-establish a reputation that it can genuinely be proud of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya, just read your artice with interest. The attitude of the staff you were unfortunate enough to encounter on your visit sadly does not surprise me.</p>
<p>There are a large number of staff, either employed by the NYMR on the payroll, or as volunteers, who are, in every sense of the word, &#8220;Jobsworths&#8221;If &#8216;That&#8217;s Life!&#8217; was still running on TV, the NYMR would probably feature every other week.</p>
<p>There appears to be a growing element of unfriendly and &#8216;anti-visitor&#8217; personnel at the NYMR, especially when it comes to railway enthusiasts, and even more specifically, photographers.</p>
<p>The NYMR has over the last few years, demonstrated this with consumate ease, and how they maintain the ability to attract any visitors at all, is beyond my comprehension.</p>
<p>It saddens me to write this, as I am a shareholder of the NYMR, and I am deeply embarrassed to be associated the the railway when I read comments like the ones above.</p>
<p>The sooner there is a change at the very top, the better. The sooner the poison dwarves are expelled from this glorious heritage line, the sooner it can begin to re-establish a reputation that it can genuinely be proud of.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://railwaysounds.railnuts.com/2009/08/26/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-child-unfriendly/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops that was a bad typo! Edited sh*t to shift!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops that was a bad typo! Edited sh*t to shift!</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://railwaysounds.railnuts.com/2009/08/26/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-child-unfriendly/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don`t feel like going there. Doesn&#039;t sound so great
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don`t feel like going there. Doesn&#8217;t sound so great</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://railwaysounds.railnuts.com/2009/08/26/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-child-unfriendly/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gerry,

Hope your shift went well, I see from your fototopic site that you once fired Silverfox!

Thanks for your comment. After speaking to a number of people at the NYMR i&#039;m sure this was a one of thing. A matter of crossed wires, tempers and errors. Though I do think the NYMR need to rethink their policy on pushchairs at the Grosmont Cafe, I visited the Battlefield lines Shakerstone station cafe the other day... not enough room to swing a rat in their never mind a cat and they had no problem with our pushchair!

I hope you have very many more great days working at the NYMR and look forward to hearing all about it on Railnuts!

Cheers,

Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gerry,</p>
<p>Hope your shift went well, I see from your fototopic site that you once fired Silverfox!</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. After speaking to a number of people at the NYMR i&#8217;m sure this was a one of thing. A matter of crossed wires, tempers and errors. Though I do think the NYMR need to rethink their policy on pushchairs at the Grosmont Cafe, I visited the Battlefield lines Shakerstone station cafe the other day&#8230; not enough room to swing a rat in their never mind a cat and they had no problem with our pushchair!</p>
<p>I hope you have very many more great days working at the NYMR and look forward to hearing all about it on Railnuts!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Martin</p>
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		<title>By: silverfox</title>
		<link>http://railwaysounds.railnuts.com/2009/08/26/north-yorkshire-moors-railway-child-unfriendly/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>silverfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin just got back from two shifts at NYMR Grosmont MPD and read 
about your ( Encounters ) I&#039;m saddened by it of course and sympathize
with you.

I&#039;ve only done four days voluntary work and travelled once to Pickering by
train so can&#039;t really comment on staff attitudes, however those I have met have been very friendly and helpful.

But no matter where we go these days we will always encounter the odd
&#039;Jobs worth&#039; or two sadly. But  none of us are perfect  are we ? and it seems to have been sorted amicably.

 So lets hope the matter can be laid to rest now, choose who&#039;s right or wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin just got back from two shifts at NYMR Grosmont MPD and read<br />
about your ( Encounters ) I&#8217;m saddened by it of course and sympathize<br />
with you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only done four days voluntary work and travelled once to Pickering by<br />
train so can&#8217;t really comment on staff attitudes, however those I have met have been very friendly and helpful.</p>
<p>But no matter where we go these days we will always encounter the odd<br />
&#8216;Jobs worth&#8217; or two sadly. But  none of us are perfect  are we ? and it seems to have been sorted amicably.</p>
<p> So lets hope the matter can be laid to rest now, choose who&#8217;s right or wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

Thanks for your comment!

The Buffet car we sat in had blue formica tables and stand alone chrome frame seats and faux blue leather upholstery. I didn&#039;t realise it was a Gresley?

Also we were were told that each seat cost £10,000.

Also pushchairs tend not to have sharp edges - as sharp edges tend to cut childrens inquisitive fingers. In regards to the Pushchairs and in the name of experimentation - if I had a few thousand quid i&#039;d quite happily like to see what damage I could do to those chairs and pay for any damages if I succeded, it just doesn&#039;t seem likely to me. But that&#039;s another matter IMO. The real issue for our family here was the tone in which we were addressed.

I&#039;ve made my peace with the NYMR!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment!</p>
<p>The Buffet car we sat in had blue formica tables and stand alone chrome frame seats and faux blue leather upholstery. I didn&#8217;t realise it was a Gresley?</p>
<p>Also we were were told that each seat cost £10,000.</p>
<p>Also pushchairs tend not to have sharp edges &#8211; as sharp edges tend to cut childrens inquisitive fingers. In regards to the Pushchairs and in the name of experimentation &#8211; if I had a few thousand quid i&#8217;d quite happily like to see what damage I could do to those chairs and pay for any damages if I succeded, it just doesn&#8217;t seem likely to me. But that&#8217;s another matter IMO. The real issue for our family here was the tone in which we were addressed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made my peace with the NYMR!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin,

I am sorry that you felt the request not to proceed further was rudely put and for this mis-understanding but, for the sake of accuracy, the Buffet Car is a Gresley.  The two non-Gresley&#039;s were the maroon Mark 1s at the front of the train.  Also it was stated that a sum in excess of £10000 PER COACH had been spent on the seats.  It would actually have been nearer to £30000.

The reference to dogs is a red-herring as they tend not to have sharp edges as they pass through coaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin,</p>
<p>I am sorry that you felt the request not to proceed further was rudely put and for this mis-understanding but, for the sake of accuracy, the Buffet Car is a Gresley.  The two non-Gresley&#8217;s were the maroon Mark 1s at the front of the train.  Also it was stated that a sum in excess of £10000 PER COACH had been spent on the seats.  It would actually have been nearer to £30000.</p>
<p>The reference to dogs is a red-herring as they tend not to have sharp edges as they pass through coaches.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Martin,

The experience on the SVR certainly sounds very different to the one we had on the NYMR. But I&#039;m pretty sure now having had contact from the NYMR that it was a one off experience and like most other railways things occasionally go wrong.

I do have sympathy with the coach restorers, they do an excellent job - the workmanship on the coaches we saw was excellent both inside and out. My father in particular has been tracking their progress for a while with regular visits to the NYMR.

Unlike loco restorers I suspect that they get less attention than they deserve too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Martin,</p>
<p>The experience on the SVR certainly sounds very different to the one we had on the NYMR. But I&#8217;m pretty sure now having had contact from the NYMR that it was a one off experience and like most other railways things occasionally go wrong.</p>
<p>I do have sympathy with the coach restorers, they do an excellent job &#8211; the workmanship on the coaches we saw was excellent both inside and out. My father in particular has been tracking their progress for a while with regular visits to the NYMR.</p>
<p>Unlike loco restorers I suspect that they get less attention than they deserve too.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Creese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Creese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience on the SVR who do not have notices on their vintage stock has usually been one of helpfulness . station staff have usually guided us to the brake van and helped load the pushchairs and buggies before guiding us to nearby available seats . on alighting again , doors are opened for us and help is on hand to unload buggies . Traveling with a young family is stressful enough (i&#039;ve got 2 under the age of three) so something small can make a very big difference to your enjoyment of the day . I have sympathy for those carriage restorers having known Richard Gunning of the SVR LNER carriage fund for many years</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience on the SVR who do not have notices on their vintage stock has usually been one of helpfulness . station staff have usually guided us to the brake van and helped load the pushchairs and buggies before guiding us to nearby available seats . on alighting again , doors are opened for us and help is on hand to unload buggies . Traveling with a young family is stressful enough (i&#8217;ve got 2 under the age of three) so something small can make a very big difference to your enjoyment of the day . I have sympathy for those carriage restorers having known Richard Gunning of the SVR LNER carriage fund for many years</p>
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